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we just went on pbs in washington, d.c. and whuc at howard university and we are now on over 1100 stations. it was originally from pacifica radio. that was founded in the bay area 60 years ago. over 300 radio stations take it all over the world. i think this is because of the hunger for independent voices. and to bend, authentic voices -- independent, authentic voice is all over the world. host: we are talking with amy goodman, the host of "to mobocracy now" and author of "the silent majority." caller: good morning. you got your priorities right -- war is hell. if we could negotiate with stalin, we could negotiate with iran. as far as business, we have the highest corporate tax in the world. can adjust lower theirs down to sit -- 15%. guest: i agree that war is hell. i co-authored this book with dennis moynihan as we travel the country and broadcast from all over, bringing out these issues and engaging in discussion about what will make us safer in this country. ultimately, it is about shoring up this country. that will inc
we just went on pbs in washington, d.c. and whuc at howard university and we are now on over 1100 stations. it was originally from pacifica radio. that was founded in the bay area 60 years ago. over 300 radio stations take it all over the world. i think this is because of the hunger for independent voices. and to bend, authentic voices -- independent, authentic voice is all over the world. host: we are talking with amy goodman, the host of "to mobocracy now" and author of "the...
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i like pbs. i love big bird. i actually like you, too. i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for. >> okay. mitt romney has never made it a secret he really likes firing people. he ruffled feathers when me proposed to cut federal funding for pbs. it wasn't because moderator jim lehrer worked for pbs since 1973. romney messed with the most popular bird in america, and twitter responded. big bird peaked at 17,000 tweets per minute and the #savesesamestreet became the top trending topic. >> i don't understand. you know, everything was just fine. why does it have to be this way? give me one good reason. >> well, that's the problem, pbs doesn't receive any direct money from the government. the government funds the corporation for public broadcasting, a profit -- a private non-profit corporation that distributes the subsidy to local pbs stations. in 2012, cpb was given $444.1 million. let's see. what is that? that's .012% of the federal budget. last year, pbs received just 5% of cpb's total appropria
i like pbs. i love big bird. i actually like you, too. i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for. >> okay. mitt romney has never made it a secret he really likes firing people. he ruffled feathers when me proposed to cut federal funding for pbs. it wasn't because moderator jim lehrer worked for pbs since 1973. romney messed with the most popular bird in america, and twitter responded. big bird peaked at 17,000 tweets per minute and the...
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he made a straight shot at the moderator, pbs' jim lehrer. >> i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs, i'm going to stop other things. i love pbs, big bird, i actually like you, too. i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for it. >> chris, remember what he told us, he warned us a long time ago, we should have listened, he said he liked firing people he came out on the stage and demonstrated it for us. he was having a wonderful time. this is what we used to do at bain capital, we made a lot of money, this is what i'll do when i'm president. it's easy, just like that. he fired him. >> didn't it seem like he was the boardroom chair, walked into the boardroom, put down his papers, as if there didn't need to be anybody else in the room except employees, some of whom won't be employees much longer. it's a dominant, dominant performance. again, back to the president. what do you think was going on in his head? you have to be in the moment. i would have been terrified if i were the president thinking how dud this person, this not really great governor,
he made a straight shot at the moderator, pbs' jim lehrer. >> i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs, i'm going to stop other things. i love pbs, big bird, i actually like you, too. i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for it. >> chris, remember what he told us, he warned us a long time ago, we should have listened, he said he liked firing people he came out on the stage and demonstrated it for us. he was having a wonderful time. this is...
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pbs's jim lehrer. let's watch. >> i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i like pbs. i love big bird. actually like you, too, but i'm not going to keep spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for it. >> chris, remember what he told us, he warned us a long time ago, we should have listened, he said he liked what? firing people. and he came out on the stage and demonstrated it for us. he was having a wonderful time. he well lirelished every moment. this is what we used to do at bain capital and this is what i'll do even when i'm president. eas easy. >> he took over the room as if there didn't need to be anybody else in the room except employee, some of whom won't be employees much longer. again back to the president. what do you think was going on in his head? you said you have to be in the moment. i would have been terrified if i were the president thinking how did this person, this not really great governor, this guy who was not really a person in so many ways politically, how is he dominating this air space right now, how can that be happening? >>
pbs's jim lehrer. let's watch. >> i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i like pbs. i love big bird. actually like you, too, but i'm not going to keep spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for it. >> chris, remember what he told us, he warned us a long time ago, we should have listened, he said he liked what? firing people. and he came out on the stage and demonstrated it for us. he was having a wonderful time. he well lirelished every moment....
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i like pbs, i love big bird, i actually like you too. >> reporter: one of the most surprising parts of the president's performance was what he did not say. no mention of romney's infamous 47% remark, no talk of bain capital, nothing about romney's own taxes. he did play the "romney is a hypocrite" card when it comes to health care. >> the irony is that we've seen this model work really well. in massachusetts. because governor romney did a good thing, working with democrats in the state to set up what is essentially the identical model and, as a consequence, people are covered there. it hasn't destroyed job. >> reporter: romney, who ran from his massachusetts health care plan during the gop primaries, now used it to tack to the middle for the general election. >> i like the way we did it in massachusetts. i like the fact that in my state, we had republicans and democrats come together and work together. what you did, instead, was to push through a plan without a single republican vote. >> reporter: and romney's countless hours of rehearsa
i like pbs, i love big bird, i actually like you too. >> reporter: one of the most surprising parts of the president's performance was what he did not say. no mention of romney's infamous 47% remark, no talk of bain capital, nothing about romney's own taxes. he did play the "romney is a hypocrite" card when it comes to health care. >> the irony is that we've seen this model work really well. in massachusetts. because governor romney did a good thing, working with democrats...
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i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i'm going to stop other things. i like pbs. i like big bird. i actually like you too. i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow from china to pay for it. >> mother [ bleep ] fired big bird! romney could have water boarded aladdin, put down blue, deported dora the explorer, and still won walking away. romney won with the sound up. >> you're entitled, as a president, to your own airplane and house, but not to your own facts. >> romney won with the sound off. dude, he's yelling at you. look up! look up! what are you looking at? what are you writing that's so important? what are you doing? oh, that's nice. i didn't realize. that is impressive work. i didn't realize that. maybe you could give that to mitt romney as a souvenir of night he crushed you in that debate. >> that is some nice work. stephen colbert dancing with "glee" last night. can we listen to this? here's colbert coming into the studio after the romney debate performance. ♪ really feeling it with colbert. he zeroed in on the tax plan romney laid out. the proposal was
i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i'm going to stop other things. i like pbs. i like big bird. i actually like you too. i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow from china to pay for it. >> mother [ bleep ] fired big bird! romney could have water boarded aladdin, put down blue, deported dora the explorer, and still won walking away. romney won with the sound up. >> you're entitled, as a president, to your own airplane and house, but not to your own facts....
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i like pbs. i like big bird. i actually like you, too. but i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for. that's number one. >> that comment definitely ruffled some feathers. in fact, someone created a twitter handle "fired big bird." he or she has sent out several tweets and pictures, fired big bird has already more than 23,000 followers. >>> the vice presidential candidates will face off in their only debate a week from today. it will take place at center college in danville, kentucky. the maryland congressman chris van holland has been playing the role of paul ryan. >>> the next presidential debate will be on october 16th in long island, new york. the second debate will take place on the campus of hofstra university and will be in the format of a town hall meeting. that means undecided voters will ask the questions. the candidates will focus on foreign and co-do mdomestic pol. >>> tim kaine is opening up a gap in the virginia senate race. tim kaine is leading republican george allen 48% to 44%.
i like pbs. i like big bird. i actually like you, too. but i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for. that's number one. >> that comment definitely ruffled some feathers. in fact, someone created a twitter handle "fired big bird." he or she has sent out several tweets and pictures, fired big bird has already more than 23,000 followers. >>> the vice presidential candidates will face off in their only debate a week from today....
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i'm going to stop other things -- i like pbs. i like big bird. >> reporter: big bird stayed way up past his bedtime to appear on "saturday night live." >> do you have any political statement you would like to make? >> no, i don't want to ruffle any feathers. >> reporter: first up here in los angeles, president obama will attend a small fundraiser with former president bill clinton and then he will attend a production at the theater tonight. vice president joe biden is getting ready for thursday night, and it is somewhat in damage control mode. lester? >> we want to turn now to our political director and chief white house correspondent chuck todd. chuck, the debate, the positive numbers we noted potential game changers for both candidates last week, how do you expect they'll try to build off this week? >> they're trying to go on the air using the debate in tv advertisements to try to sort of blunt some of the debate momentum that romney got. but i also know that behind the scenes, there is a little bit of the confronting of the pr
i'm going to stop other things -- i like pbs. i like big bird. >> reporter: big bird stayed way up past his bedtime to appear on "saturday night live." >> do you have any political statement you would like to make? >> no, i don't want to ruffle any feathers. >> reporter: first up here in los angeles, president obama will attend a small fundraiser with former president bill clinton and then he will attend a production at the theater tonight. vice president joe...
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. >> i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i like pbs, big bird. i actually like you, too, but i'm not going to keep spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for it. >> cnn political analyst and editorial director of the national journal. hi, ron. >> good morning, carol. >> i know it's not the most important issue of the night. plenty of people actually think lehrer helped mitt romney by allowing him so much time to answer questions. fair? >> i don't know. he has been an important force in presidential debates. last night was not a good night for him. the new format has a lot of strength, allows you to drill down on a subject, providing sustained focus on one area at a time. and he simply did not take advantage of it. he didn't have meaningful follow-ups. he didn't challenge them. he really didn't kind of force them to move beyond their kind of comfort zone and their talking points. i think it was a tremendous missed opportunity. i bet the other moderators will learn from it and being more aggressive in using this tool that the ne
. >> i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i like pbs, big bird. i actually like you, too, but i'm not going to keep spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for it. >> cnn political analyst and editorial director of the national journal. hi, ron. >> good morning, carol. >> i know it's not the most important issue of the night. plenty of people actually think lehrer helped mitt romney by allowing him so much time to answer questions. fair? >> i...
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. >> pbs section of the show -- give me a break. >> now you are insulting the audience. >> the 9 people in america who care about this stuff. what about the others? >> i bet they want to kill the people who did this. >> it took us quite a while to figure out exactly what happened, and we still may not know everything, in 9/11. with the guy said train, the intelligence had fallen apart. it took us long to realize it with these people were -- who these people were. >> "deception," the word that charles used. >> charles has a conspiracy. if it is a conspiracy, it is a pretty lousy one, being contradicted within hours. the ar drums from think tank commandos and the gucci guerrillas who dominate this city. it reminds me of norman schwarzkopf, who led troops to a successful venture, the triumph in the persian gulf war. he was getting all this praise from his fawning flatterers, and he said no, it does not take courage to order men into battle. it takes courage to go into battle. --t we're talking about >> no, the israelis are not asking the westergaard war. -- are not asking the u. s to go to
. >> pbs section of the show -- give me a break. >> now you are insulting the audience. >> the 9 people in america who care about this stuff. what about the others? >> i bet they want to kill the people who did this. >> it took us quite a while to figure out exactly what happened, and we still may not know everything, in 9/11. with the guy said train, the intelligence had fallen apart. it took us long to realize it with these people were -- who these people were....
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. >> the pbs section of the show -- >> now you are insulting the audience. >> the 9 people in the world who care about the stuff. >> remember, it took quite a while to figure out exactly what had happened, and we still may not know everything, in 9/11. these guys were trained, with intelligence had fallen apart. it took us a very long time realize even who these people re. some of the original reports were wrong. >> "deception," the word charles used. >> charles has conspiracy. pretty lousy one, if you are contradicted within hours. the think tank commandos and gucci guerrillas populated city. it reminds me of the genius of norman schwarzkopf, another army general who did lead the troops into a successful venture and try and in the persian gulf war -- triumphed in the persian gulf war. he was getting all this praise from fawning flatteries. he said, no, it does not take courage to order men into battle. it takes courage to go into battle. what we're talking about -- >> no, we are -- the israelis are not asking the u.s. to go to war. they are simply sayi that if you are not interested in
. >> the pbs section of the show -- >> now you are insulting the audience. >> the 9 people in the world who care about the stuff. >> remember, it took quite a while to figure out exactly what had happened, and we still may not know everything, in 9/11. these guys were trained, with intelligence had fallen apart. it took us a very long time realize even who these people re. some of the original reports were wrong. >> "deception," the word charles used....
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one spending reduction he did offer is cutting funding to pbs. but that's only $450 million a year which pales in comparison to other government spending. more bill press is coming up after the break. stay with us. you're about to watch an ad message created by a current tv viewer for capella university. matter. >> i work with adults with developmental disabilities. growing up i had a single mother of four and people in the community were so helpful when they didn't even have much themselves. seeing people and their hardships made me want to make a difference in people's lives to give them hope. receiving a masters degree would open the doors for me to get into a management position where i would be able to do more for people. >> bill: karl rowe accuses john bryson of drunk driving then has to apologize a couple of hours later when it is learned that secretary bryson suffered a seizure before having that accident out in southern california. karl rove steps in it again. can't believe a word he says. we've been telling you that for a long time. goo
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>>reporter: now, pbs' jim le hrer airs tonight at 9:00 p.m. you can see it here on abc 2 news. according to the most recent cnn/rc poll, when you factor in the margin of error of 3 1/2 points, this race remains a dead heat. >> thanks, charley. >>> if you want to watch those debates with a big group of people would which could be pretty fun. you'll want to head to gillman. they'll be hosting an audience discussion about the debate and the campaign as well, as well as historical coverage of important moments in american electoral history. so this event begins at 8:30 tonight. you can always check it out. it ends around 10:30 this evening. >>> baltimore county police have made two arrests in a string of abductions that have happened in the area. abc 2 news' linda stow this morning is at police headquarters in the county with the very latest. and, linda, any new information this morning so far? >>reporter: police have released the suspect's identities. they are 21-year-old kenyon waller and 25-year-old william campbell, both of baltimore. they're being held without bond this mornin
>>reporter: now, pbs' jim le hrer airs tonight at 9:00 p.m. you can see it here on abc 2 news. according to the most recent cnn/rc poll, when you factor in the margin of error of 3 1/2 points, this race remains a dead heat. >> thanks, charley. >>> if you want to watch those debates with a big group of people would which could be pretty fun. you'll want to head to gillman. they'll be hosting an audience discussion about the debate and the campaign as well, as well as...
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pbs has a new media program based on mr. rogers neighborhood but it's for 21st century kids. the idea is to develop strategies and practice them at home with your children so when they become angry, frustrated, disappointed, when they're anxious about a new experience, they have a strategy they can use. >> some of the things we keep hearing for our 2-year-old is that the transition is the hardest, whether it's just you're going to color now and you move over to a counting game. even that little transition can cause some stress. so when parents get them home after the day, how can you sort of coach them so the next day isn't so bad? >> 2s, 3s and 4s can be very anxious, we all can be when something is new. so one of the best things parents can do is talk about what you're going to do. so talk them through where they're going. the first day of school, the first trip to a doctor. the more you can prepare them and talk them through what that experience is going to be like, give them a chance to ask questions, almost act it out, role play, we even have games on our website where k
pbs has a new media program based on mr. rogers neighborhood but it's for 21st century kids. the idea is to develop strategies and practice them at home with your children so when they become angry, frustrated, disappointed, when they're anxious about a new experience, they have a strategy they can use. >> some of the things we keep hearing for our 2-year-old is that the transition is the hardest, whether it's just you're going to color now and you move over to a counting game. even that...
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debate. >> i like pbs. >> oh! >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn. >> i like big bird. >> really? >> of aaall the things he's going to take flack for, big bird. >> i love big bird. >> you do? >> of course i do. >> apparently i'm dressing like big bird. channeling big bird apparently. much more news ahead, including the latest on tensions between syria and turkey. we'll be watching that. stay with us. get outta the car. ♪ are you ok? the... get in the car. [ male announcer ] the epa estimated 42 mpg highway chevy cruze eco. for wherever life takes you. and now qualified buyers can get 0% apr financing for 48 months on a 2012 cruze. ♪ droid does. and does it launch apps by voice while learning your voice ? launch cab4me. droid does. keep left at the fork. does it do turn-by-turn navigation ? droid does. with verizon, america's largest 4g lte network, and motorola, droid does. get $100 off select motorola 4g lte smartphones like the droid razr. stop! stop! stop! come back here! humans -- we are beautifully imperfect cr
debate. >> i like pbs. >> oh! >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn. >> i like big bird. >> really? >> of aaall the things he's going to take flack for, big bird. >> i love big bird. >> you do? >> of course i do. >> apparently i'm dressing like big bird. channeling big bird apparently. much more news ahead, including the latest on tensions between syria and turkey. we'll be watching that. stay with us. get outta the car. ♪ are you ok? the......
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i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i like pbs, i love big bird. i actually like you, too. i'm not going to keep spending money on things -- >> let's -- >> let's get back to medicare. the president said the government could provide it at a lower cost without a profit. let's -- >> let's not. let's let him respond. let's let him respond to this specific on dodd/frank and what the governor just said. >> massachusetts governor mitt romney rolling over the debate moderator, jim lehrer, of pbs last night during the first presidential debate of this campaign season. joining us now for the interview is dan rather, host of "dan rather reports" on access tv. anchor of cbs' "evening news" for 20 years and a veteran observer of the campaigns. thank you. >> always a pleasure to be here. >> what is your reaction overall to the debate last night? i am assuing you think mitt romney won the debate. what do you think is important about it? >> i think what's important about it is it gives governor romney a chance to get a second look from the electorate. when he was
i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i like pbs, i love big bird. i actually like you, too. i'm not going to keep spending money on things -- >> let's -- >> let's get back to medicare. the president said the government could provide it at a lower cost without a profit. let's -- >> let's not. let's let him respond. let's let him respond to this specific on dodd/frank and what the governor just said. >> massachusetts governor mitt romney rolling over the...
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. >> i like pbs. i like big bird. i like you too. but i am not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from chon ina to p for it. a wide opening. the president took more than 14 hours to come up with a come? back. >> thank goodness, somebody is finally getting tough on big bird. it is about time. >> reporter: many top democrats suggest one of the problems may be one common to incumbents, the president has lived in a bubble, rarely challenged. the obama campaign acknowledged they will conduct a reassessment before the next debate. jake tapper, abc news, traveling with the president in madison, wisconsin. >> such a fascinating point, so true if you think about it, the president inyears , you don't stand next to some one saying you are wrong. challenged. and, that has to be a very different situation and mind set for the president. it was an interesting point. >> you know what i want to know what percentage of the country understood anything in that debate? taxes, you know, economics, way over everyone's head, right? >
. >> i like pbs. i like big bird. i like you too. but i am not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from chon ina to p for it. a wide opening. the president took more than 14 hours to come up with a come? back. >> thank goodness, somebody is finally getting tough on big bird. it is about time. >> reporter: many top democrats suggest one of the problems may be one common to incumbents, the president has lived in a bubble, rarely challenged. the obama...
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. >> pbs has released a statement accusing governor romney of making pbs a political target and of not understanding the value of the american people place in public broadcasting. how do americans generally view public broadcasting? and its funding? >> i mean, people are generally very favorable of it. pbs did a study last year where 69% of people were in favor of keeping the public broadcasting funding. and that was across party lines, even conservatives favored keeping it to the tune of i think 53%. so it's something people like. and the thing is, it's such a small part of the federal budget. it's less than .01%. with trillion of dollars that's hard for us to figure out. but if you put that in say i made $40,000 a year. that would be about 56 cents out of my annual budget. public broadcasting. >> that's putting it in perspective there. the ceo of pbs, paula kerger points out that federal funding for public broadcasting has been cut 13% just in the past two years. have we felt an impact from that? >> yes, in the places that are going to see more of an impact of that are going to be th
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sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidize to pbs. i love pbs, i love big bird, i actually like you too but i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for. >> were you surprised that he went there with jim lehrer hosting the thing? >> i was very surprised. i would say that moment is probably the closest we got to one of romney's awkward, you know, mitt-isms like $10,000 bet or something. it was probably a low moment. it's a little awkward between him and jim lehrer, but the sper action on obama dp the interaction on obamacare was somewhat amusing to hear them talk about that phrase. >> i heard some people say, well, that's what he plans to do and he was willing to say it right there and to stand up to what he stands for. want to go and look at an exchange between the president and jim lehrer very quickly. let's take a look at this. >> now, the last point i'd make before -- >> two minutes is up, sir. >> i think i had had five seconds before you interrupted me. [ laughter ] >> there's that smile.
sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidize to pbs. i love pbs, i love big bird, i actually like you too but i'm not going to keep on spending money on things to borrow money from china to pay for. >> were you surprised that he went there with jim lehrer hosting the thing? >> i was very surprised. i would say that moment is probably the closest we got to one of romney's awkward, you know, mitt-isms like $10,000 bet or something. it was probably a low moment. it's a little awkward...
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romney admitted he loves big bird but republican presidential nominee said he would slash funding to pbs which airs sesame street. the twitter sphere lit up, someone started a fired big bird account writing elmo needs help filing unemt employment forms, no thumb autos our coverage continues of the debate. what was true and accurate? >> a major fraud bust, 100 officials arrested in a case worth millions of dollars. >> and what is nearly a >>> both presidential candidates back out on the campaign trail today. and there is president obama spent the morning in denver before heading to wisconsin for an afternoon rally. >> mitt romney saying you're not entitled to makeup your own facts. we've checked on what both had to say and whether or not it was factual. biggest dispute was over tax autos governor romney's central economic plan calls for a $5 trillion tax cut. >> i don't have a $5 trillion kachl tut can you tell. >> governor romney's proposal calls for a $5 dwrinl tax cut. >> i'm in the looking for a $5 trillion tax cut. >> fact check? the president is wrong to say romney's plan will add $
romney admitted he loves big bird but republican presidential nominee said he would slash funding to pbs which airs sesame street. the twitter sphere lit up, someone started a fired big bird account writing elmo needs help filing unemt employment forms, no thumb autos our coverage continues of the debate. what was true and accurate? >> a major fraud bust, 100 officials arrested in a case worth millions of dollars. >> and what is nearly a >>> both presidential candidates...
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. >> i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop this subsidy to pbs. i actually like big bird, and like you, too. i'm not going to continue to spend money from china to pay for it. >> someone even created a twitter handle, fire big bird. >> i think that resonated because big bird was a big part of my life, as probably a lot of people out there, and a lot of people associate with it. one little thing to note, nbc has done some reporting, the amount of money the pbs gets from the federal government is only about $100 million or so, which is a drop in the bucket to the trillions that are in the federal budget. so getting rid of big bird doesn't really solve the deficit problem. >> too bad 4-year-olds can't vote. >> fire big bird, my goodness. a lot of people talked about the candidates and how they did. but what about the moderator? jim lehrer pretty much faded into the background. should he have taken greater control of this debate? >> it's very hard to moderate a presidential debate. sometimes you do want to be that person who kind of fades away. you wa
. >> i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop this subsidy to pbs. i actually like big bird, and like you, too. i'm not going to continue to spend money from china to pay for it. >> someone even created a twitter handle, fire big bird. >> i think that resonated because big bird was a big part of my life, as probably a lot of people out there, and a lot of people associate with it. one little thing to note, nbc has done some reporting, the amount of money the pbs gets from the federal...
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i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i'm going to stop other things. i like pbs. i like big bird, and i like you, too, but i'm not going to keep spending money on things to borrow from china to pay for it. that's number one. number two, i'll take programs s that are currently good programbut will be run more efficiently at the state level. number three, i'll make government more efficient and cut back the number of employees, cut agencies into departments. my cutbacks would be done through attrition, by the way. this is the approach we have to take to get america to a balanced budget. the president said he'd cut the deficit in hamp. unfortunately, he doubled it. trillion-dollar deficits for the last four years. the president's put in place as much public debt, almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined. >> lehrer: mr. president, two minutes. >> when i walked in the oval office i had more than a $1 trillion deficit greeting me, and we know where it came from. two wars that were paid for on a credit card. two tax cuts that were not paid
i'm sorry, jim, i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs. i'm going to stop other things. i like pbs. i like big bird, and i like you, too, but i'm not going to keep spending money on things to borrow from china to pay for it. that's number one. number two, i'll take programs s that are currently good programbut will be run more efficiently at the state level. number three, i'll make government more efficient and cut back the number of employees, cut agencies into departments. my cutbacks would be...